http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?page=2&t=23622377#1117733808
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23607909
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24387633&page=1
These are all notes to self join if you want
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