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Demons_and_Angels
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This is another of my long posts that I wrote in defense of Twilight, and I made it to rebuttal a rebuttal from Dominic Knight, a gaian who is really getting on my nerves, but challenges me a lot! Enjoy!

@Dominic: Here you go! Another three pages worth of infinite knowledge that I posses:

1)When I say underlying, I'm pointing out that it's like you mean that Edward acts that way but he doesn’t realize that his doing it. He does realize it when he makes the statement “I’m selfish”. Now it’s just a matter of fixing it, which I think might happen in Eclipse in some form or another. But you have to wait for the story to continue because it all can’t be fixed in the first book (it serves merely as a prologue). Also, he won’t let Bella get changed because it is dangerous and because it is difficult living a life where you’re hungry for something you can’t have, and have to endure it for centuries until the end of time (or until the Volturi destroy said person). So he protects her (that’s the simplest one to see yet you think he’s doing that because he wants power, not because he wants to protect her from a “half-life” like Voldemort in Harry Potter). And that she doesn’t hang out with friends is really not that big of a deal (that’s what’s making the book bad? I don’t need to hang out with my friends all the time to be a good person, because it’s not like she spends every second with him, even if she does get to sleep with him). It’s her choosing that she’s not with those people, it’s not Edward telling her not to. And once again: Edward’s flaw that he’s acting “superior” all the time is because he’s a vampire! A flaw he’s had to live with for an entire century because he didn’t choose that. And being a mind-reader means that he’s been used to a whole century of getting what he wants, but now it’s destroyed because he can’t read Bella’s mind, so he’s acting up a little. Totally expected because people, including vampires, can’t change that from one day to the next. Though at least he recognizes he’s flaw: He’s selfish. Now it’s just time to change it. (And trust me, if I don’t see it happen by the end of the story, I will be as angry as you, but maybe more). I still stand for the Edward in the car thing, I just need Aldorel’s knowledge on this (more facts and stuff, though I could re-read the book).

2)But she did get involved because of a series of events (which means the events are not all that random) so she’s bound to be in his life, and it’s tied because of love (which as of now, I’m skeptical as to it’s purity, because I’m not one to believe that so quickly, but the book had me hooked on that and I don’t deny it). And he watches out for her because he loves her, and his character being as stubborn as he is (a flaw or advantage in different cases), he will not let her go to watch out for herself when clearly, she’s in lots of trouble as it is. He left her for a while to keep her out of trouble because he loved her, but he came back, because he loved her, and put her in more trouble. So he gets overprotective because it is his fault, but he can’t leave her because he loves her and is being selfish, but she loves him too, so it’s a complicated situation (once again, how could the characters have no depth when clearly this is showing them as being very deep and the fact that they go through all that trouble to be together). It’s hard to do the right thing in times of danger and being blinded by love, and once again, I make it a point that this is not at all, whatsoever, a conventional story of love, specially because now there is a love triangle and the fact that those are vampires and that they have to live with those consequences doesn’t make it easy on anyone to be approving in that form of being loyal to friends (specially when a relationship is in its starting point, their bound to be selfish, and that is the general flaw of being in love, because love is selfish no matter how you see it, specially for teenagers). So Bella doesn’t want to hang out with her friends (her choice) because she’s starting something new and wants to experience it a little.

3)Most people don’t do that, but some do. In Edward’s case, he’s one of them, as he points it out “the masochistic lion” thing. And it also goes with the territory of being a vampire (think about it and don’t start changing it around because at the end of the day, they are vampires and have no choice but to do the things they do. And if you look at the other characters, who we don’t know much about, if they were in Edward’s place, they would act the same way).

4)Spelling error. But I’ll let it pass. The plot, or story, is not yet finished, and while there isn’t much of a climax in either book, there are the psychological traumas thing that we have been discussing for at least 2 weeks now. That’s bound to count for something. But I’m not in a place where I want to do a psychoanalysis on Edward and Bella right now because I’m too tired.

5) Edward’s short temper is a character flaw that adds to the story. Bella’s stubborn-ness is a character flaw that adds to the story. I don’t remember the other ones, but that’s just because I can’t name them.

6) And I said that it did teach a moral, so what’s your point?

7) Edward is scared of losing Bella (I’m inferring this from the fact that he loves her) but if he said that, it is mostly because he doesn’t want Bella to do something crazy. (And I really have to go back and read the books again because I don’t remember the time when he threatened her).

cool Perfectly annoyed by your sarcasm now, so I will refrain from making rude comments. A dream is more inspiring than anything else. She was vague because most of the times she thought that the audience knew exactly what was going on, even though they did need more words on it. Even her editor had trouble with that, and I understand, though as an imaginative reader, I knew exactly what she meant most of the time. And I completely expect that from a new author who hasn’t had much experience trying to get a big audience to know what she was thinking (which is why I love the background stuff that you can get from the books, like the personal correspondence that she has with her fans). But I think that if she ever was vague, it was probably intentional. (Though I’m not zooming in to the vague parts, but I, again, need to re-read the book).

9) The choosing to be a real vampire, that was my mistake for not explaining myself that it is not realistic (and wouldn’t think that it would need explaining), but it is a conflict. How to tell her parents if she will or will not become a vampire is also a conflict (though I predict that that one will have a loophole in the story, more fan fiction for me!). That she’s not spending enough time with her “friends” (and just because it doesn’t happen to you, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen to other people, though it is something that I think happened back in Meyer’s childhood, because some teenagers are smarter now, and somehow more considerate). And Bella doesn’t do that because it would make sense, it’s just the fact that she doesn’t see that, but once again, she’s not smart like us (and I don’t expect everyone to realize that, some people do that unconsciously; she’s still a teenager and the fact that it seems that she didn’t have many friends in the past doesn’t mean she will know how to act now).

10) Don’t you remember that at the beginning Edward was trying really hard to not get involved with her? But it didn’t work out because she became irresistible to him. She’s Edward’s weakness. He gets himself and his family in trouble because he loves her (I’m guessing you never watched Hercules (the cartoon), and it seems a lot like that). So he’s bound to make mistakes because of her, and she in turn will make her own because now she’s stuck in a world that she suddenly landed on for being Bella. And he wanted power over someone? A million candidates and it had to be Bella? A million candidates that he could read their minds and he chose Bella? O, how dare you implicate that? I don’t think it’s because he wanted power over someone, it didn’t seem his style. If he had wanted power over someone, Jessica would have completely been perfect for that.

11) All night because he doesn’t sleep and everything else bores him. And she mentioned his name while she slept, so he got curious. What’s the problem with that? I think that has nothing to do with something being bad in the book, it just means that his interest for her is growing.

And once again, I’ve written a lot to rebuttal something that I had already mentioned earlier, but thanks for giving me this chance, Dominic. Now I await everyone else’s rebuttals and prepare myself to write for another three pages. (How does she do it?). And I made it easier with different colors and stuff!

Hope you have fun with this one!


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