This is absolutely amazing because only days after my last entry another potential entry popped up. So excited.
Okay so I was patrolling the A/M/C for interesting topics like I do and I found this:
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The decline of anime
So I went in fully expectation some elitist that typed like a n00b, and guess what I found, an elitist that typed like a n00b.
The first post went like this:
n00b elitist
yes it is happening X_X i mean c'mon...let us look into some of the more "popular" anime out there
naruto:3 young heros, ninja(long drawn out fights taht never seem to end in bloodshed), soap opera themes/sexual tension/relationships that go nowhere, all spell money-making fillers to me.. i'll link this with...
Inuyasha, 5 young heros, 2 couples, good plot in the first what, 2 episodes? quickly falls, 2 main couples, never goes anywhere, main badguys and conflicts, never killed and resolved, it was freaking cancled before they ended it for real and lets face it would they have really ended it when they were making the money? c'mon? really? lol it all spells moneymaking fillers to me as well, i've seen it all before.. when it was called fuushigi yugi XP as one person put it "its dbz with sexual tension"
ok now lets look at a few that the younger crouds are enjoying(as if the two above are really that bad for them to watch) um.. teen titans.. no.. nuff said
hmm can you even call the games-turned-saturday morning cartoons anime? (kirby, sonic X, f-Zero) kirby:horribly mangles chars/plot IMO
sonic, relationship crap, more human chars, but otherwise not too different from when i saw it.. when it was called sonic adventure/SA2/sonic heros ah you get the idea, both of these show destroying what made the games and the plot and the idea for a show and dragging them out, changing them constantly, baisicly whoring the big names for cash
and ya know.. there is still a LOT of good anime/manga out there but each and every one of you know these crappy show, some of you probly like them, because they are mainstream, and that really scares me, any one else smell a decline in the biz around the corner? comments? thoughts? and dumbass posts will be reported and/or removed
EDIT! if your going to vote, please post your thoughts, don't be a poll whore
naruto:3 young heros, ninja(long drawn out fights taht never seem to end in bloodshed), soap opera themes/sexual tension/relationships that go nowhere, all spell money-making fillers to me.. i'll link this with...
Inuyasha, 5 young heros, 2 couples, good plot in the first what, 2 episodes? quickly falls, 2 main couples, never goes anywhere, main badguys and conflicts, never killed and resolved, it was freaking cancled before they ended it for real and lets face it would they have really ended it when they were making the money? c'mon? really? lol it all spells moneymaking fillers to me as well, i've seen it all before.. when it was called fuushigi yugi XP as one person put it "its dbz with sexual tension"
ok now lets look at a few that the younger crouds are enjoying(as if the two above are really that bad for them to watch) um.. teen titans.. no.. nuff said
hmm can you even call the games-turned-saturday morning cartoons anime? (kirby, sonic X, f-Zero) kirby:horribly mangles chars/plot IMO
sonic, relationship crap, more human chars, but otherwise not too different from when i saw it.. when it was called sonic adventure/SA2/sonic heros ah you get the idea, both of these show destroying what made the games and the plot and the idea for a show and dragging them out, changing them constantly, baisicly whoring the big names for cash
and ya know.. there is still a LOT of good anime/manga out there but each and every one of you know these crappy show, some of you probly like them, because they are mainstream, and that really scares me, any one else smell a decline in the biz around the corner? comments? thoughts? and dumbass posts will be reported and/or removed
EDIT! if your going to vote, please post your thoughts, don't be a poll whore
Anyway I replied:
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Like Salior moon and Pok'emon were Academy award winners?
I don't think that anime is on the decline, popular anime maybe, but not all anime. There are still many good lesser known animes.
I don't think that anime is on the decline, popular anime maybe, but not all anime. There are still many good lesser known animes.
He replied:
Elitist n00b
ok i get saying "were" for sailor oon but they are still pumping out pokemon merchindise, games, espisodes, movies, spin offs, eh you get the idea lol, anyways i see it as the market is in decline when the little known and hard to find are the good ones and the big names that can seem enascapable (if i had a dollar for every gaia fangirl siggy that said "gaara is my bishie XP) are the mainstream.. its just so wrong, i am not saying there isn't good, i am saying the market is going bad, when something hits mainstream it seems good at first, they get a taste of the spot light and they milk it to hell, thats one corrupted market if you ask me
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Then anime isn't suffering a decline at all. Because DBZ wasn't that great either and it was popular. All popular animes are not the greatest. How is the market in the decline? It has always been milking these popular animes and almost all of these popular animes have been average shows. Nothing is in the decline. By the point you're trying to make you should have made the topic about how the market "corupts" anime and not about the decline of anime.
elitist n00b
hmm, guess so razz so the mainstream anime is corrupted by the market.. but i don't think thats intirely true, i mean there are some great ones that got really popular, cowboy bebop, FLCL, anyone care to add? heh if some are and some arn't... then IMO purly it is in a somewhat decline when fairly older mainstreams (gunam,flcl, cowboybebop, er outlaw star?) wern't so corrupt and todays are, woulden't ya say?
EDIT:by decline or corrupt i don't mean nessiarily the quality of the show alone but the fact that they have so many eps, spinoffs, merchindising, etc its like whoring it)
EDIT:by decline or corrupt i don't mean nessiarily the quality of the show alone but the fact that they have so many eps, spinoffs, merchindising, etc its like whoring it)
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Those animes were popular to a whole different crowd. Those animes were popular to adults and didn't need crappy merchindise. Naruto, Salior moon, DBZ, pokemon were all aimed to children. That doesn't prove your point at all.
1. Aired after 9:00. In the marketing world that's when more mature shows come on, because they suppose that children who are too young to watch are either in bed or are going to bed.
2. All got a rating of TV-14 or higher.
3. Several were on Adultswim. Adultswim=intended for adults.
elitist n00b
different crowd? adults only? i disagree, i watched outlaw star and gundam wing uncut god maybe wen i was like anywhere between 9 and 12 XP and alot of other gundams (original, 8th ms team, G) lol there is a reason they didn't need merchindice, they wern't whored into really long series they lived thier good lives, the makers were relitivly to the point making the story only as long as it needed to be more or less lol, cowboy bebop, been a fan for as long as i can remember too lol
Okay he pulls the "but I watch it," and he did this for like the whole arguemnt, "but I watched it, and my friends watched it," well guess what dude? YOU AREN'T THE FREAKING UNIVERSE! Also I'll give you the rundown on how long most of these animes ran in syndication. Outlaw Star only ran about twice in syndication, Gundam wing and G only ran about twice, maybe three times. Cowboy bebop again was the only one who had any time on air really. But still paled in comparison in ratings.
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That was just you, and I never said adults only it was intended for adults. They were aired late at night, some were on adult swim, which is intended for adults. Yes some children watched them but not a whole lot, not anywhere near Naruto and Pokemon. And there were only three Gundam series aimed towards children in the US, they all had merchindise, however the ones that were not did not have merchindise. Just because you watched mature shows where you were a child doesn't mean that other children did.
elitest n00b
intended yes but that never stopped anyone before, not to mention that outlaw star ran for some time, like a few times through, before shifted the the new "midnight run" of toonami (lol think thats what they called it)
and if various gundams in teh day/outlaw star were edited in the day showings, i didn't notice, i remember freaking out and making a bid deal when they would cuss XP
and if various gundams in teh day/outlaw star were edited in the day showings, i didn't notice, i remember freaking out and making a bid deal when they would cuss XP
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No, Outlaw star only ran for a short period of time during the day.
Yes it didn't stop anyone, but alot of children were asleep and didn't watch it. Children sleep differently then adults and teenagers. Outlaw star wasn't even that popular anyway, it only ran in sydication like twice, unlike FLCL and Cowboy Bebop.
Yes it didn't stop anyone, but alot of children were asleep and didn't watch it. Children sleep differently then adults and teenagers. Outlaw star wasn't even that popular anyway, it only ran in sydication like twice, unlike FLCL and Cowboy Bebop.
elitest n00b
i was no teenager when i watched it, elemetary school man, lol i am only 16 it aired a loong time ago
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I know but your one person. Most children went to sleep at that time. The market isn't intended soley for you.
elitest n00b
hmm guess we'll have to agree to disagree, i mean i knowi watched it, i know at least some of my friends watched it, and they aired it in the day for a time.
ah i just rememberd an awome old one from during the day that wasn't intended for kids XP lol even had nudity, blue sub #6, good times
ah i just rememberd an awome old one from during the day that wasn't intended for kids XP lol even had nudity, blue sub #6, good times
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Yeah I remeber blue sub but they said before hand that it wasn't intended for children and give it a high rating.
And it still doesn't matter that you and your friends watched, most children didn't watch it. You have to understand that you and your friends are not the only people on the earth that are being marketed to.
And it still doesn't matter that you and your friends watched, most children didn't watch it. You have to understand that you and your friends are not the only people on the earth that are being marketed to.
Elitist n00b
hmm well consider this, do a poll somewhere, anywhere, asking how many people 13 and younger (children) or for the MA shows on it 17 and under (teens) watch adult swim, you'll be surprised how many its not "marketed to" watch, its like that now, it was like that then razz
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The majority of people who watch it are an older audience. NOT CHILDREN. Sure teens watch it but they are not small children. Shows like Pokemon, Naruto, and Salior moon are intended for those who are 7-10 and most do not watch shows like Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, and Outlaw star. Sure a lot of people who are below 17 watch more mature shows, but not all of them are ten years old. The majority of people who watch and are under the limit are in their late teens, 15-16, and are not considered children in marketing eyes.
elitist n00b
i still disagree razz i am confident at least a moderate ammount of viewers are children, lol we can argue this point till the cows come home man
Like always, except last time, I will give you Linky.
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I commend you for dealing with that person's stupidity as long as you did.